The "Magic" of Robotech (Slight Changes)
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This article discusses the ingredients that made Robotech the animated series work well for its time. I postulate some reasons why subsequent works and spin-offs (past and present) have failed to measure up to the brilliance of the original. I understand that it's may not be an article a lot of people would agree with, as nobody can really say what Robotech is or isn't.
What is Robotech? No, I’m not asking for the standard Wikipedia definition. I’m asking you, the handful that dares tread these grounds, to answer what made the original series great. You may have heard it all before, but here is my take on that subject.
Because a lot of people know that Robotech, despite its Japanese origins, was written “to fit an American audience” (whatever that means). I was quite shocked when I watched the entire original Japanese Macross animated series and saw how close it was to its its Robotech counterpart.
The only things that made Macross Saga Robotech was the name changes, Roy’s behavior, and a couple of badly spliced footage from another anime series, Super Dimensinal Cavalry: Southern Cross. Even Robotech's "Second Generation", the one that followed Robotech’s Macross saga, despite becoming chop-suey in the hands of the American editors, pretty much retained the same template as the original series. Third generation, New Generation, was worse.
Mind you, I'm not saying that the entirety of Robotech and its production was a straight dub. I'm just saying that at least, story wise, it seems that the Japanese deserve a helluva lot more praise than most people give them credit for. This of course, begs the question:
Since time immemorial (did I use that right?), people have had very different ideas about what Robotech was and wasn’t.
Things weren’t so bad in the late 1980’s though, as Carl Macek, the man who gave birth to the concept of Robotech, at least knew what he was doing when brainstorming for the follow-up series to the original Robotech series. This project was known as The Sentinels, and the first thing he did was to hire the Japanese. This collaboration was truly unprecedented, and for a time, things were good.
Things hit the fan when Mr. Macek found out that the Japanese were taking the series in a very different direction than was originally intended. The Japanese animators were making stuff that used more of the new characters, whereas Macek wanted the focus to still be on the Robotech’s established cast of characters.

In retrospect, Robotech: The Sentinels was best viewed as something akin to a Robotech’s Greatest Hits album more than anything else. It took the greatest stuff from the original series three sagas, and crammed it in one movie. Maybe Macek should have listened to the Japanese on this one…
Some of the Robotech comics covers were actually quite beautiful
The franchise ended up with some solid series in the end, such as Invid War and Return to Macross, but these stories don’t hold a candle to the original series. Some comickers tried to interject personal political views, others tried to make the earthbound Zentraedi alien race into Middle Eastern terrorists (it's so much more powerful to have the Zentraedi blow themselves up trying to kill General Leonard). In the end, there was always something off about all these comics, and it’s not just how they screwed up with series canon and continuity to suit their needs.

The novels however, were pretty solid. Many of these books had the authors really try to explain the most archaic elements of the series with a whole lot of questionable fantasy-science. New story elements were thrown in the mix as well, with various characters sleeping with each other, and other weird stuff I don’t wish to remember. It's Robotech, but...
Seriously though, I would’ve doubted Robotech’s success had it began as a science fiction novel series. It would probably be one of those forgotten science fiction novel series, like William Shatner’s Tekwar. Take the time to sift through all those romance novels in some used bookstore, and you might find some!
The role-playing game was even crazier. However, like the novels and the comics, it was solid for what it was. It’s got its fanbase. I can’t say much about this though, as I haven’t played an actual game. However the biggest complaint I’ve heard is how combat in the game never truly felt like the Robotech animated series.
Gameplay aside, I was appalled at the style of the artwork in some of these RPG books. Robotech’s anime designs just didn’t translate well to gritty, Battletech style realism. I understand the limited knowledge people had with the style, but come on...
So really, Robotech thus far, hasn’t had a single product that was able to touch the original series magic. The Japanese, for all their quirks, brought something to the table that none of the American (and even Korean-American) storytellers haven’t been able to achieve.
Robotech to me, at least in essence, isn’t about cramming as many real, pseudo and fantastical science in the mix. Nor is it about jamming Saturday orning plot threads with faux-anime style visuals. It wasn’t just one big sappy love story with transforming robots either!
Like the original Starwars trilogy, the "magic" was just there. What we had, ladies and gentlemen, was a show which had an essentially Japanese science fiction storyline, possessed the brilliant character dynamics that anime is generally known for, sprinkled with some of that grounded American sensibility and wit. This is what ‘made’ Robotech the animated epic it was in the minds of most people.

Highlander, from what I hear, is an excellent anime in its own right,
some have defined it as the perfect collaboration
When Robotech finally nails that dynamic right (especially in this age where companies have managed to work out to some degree, a successful Japanese-American collaboration project) I think the franchise might have a chance to return back to form. People of all ages can finally look forward to a Robotech animated project.
P.S.
Personally, Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles doesn’t really… count. On the surface, it had all the ‘right’ elements, but the brilliance just wasn’t there. (Same with every other product made since 2000)
It may look like Robotech, smell like it, sound like it, but it failed to deliver something Robotech had - a satisfying story. Something the Japanese brought in their individual series, and something Carl Macek added when tying it to one epic saga.
You may console yourself that this was the first movie, but so was Starwars: A New Hope. Nothing in this first film movie made me want to care about what happens in the next chapter. They could all die from that big busted android Janice's singing for all I care.
It's only hook is that its the only Robotech animated feature, so as expected from a mindless consumer, I might as well buy/download and watch it. So as far as I’m concerned R:TSC was an experiment, nothing more.
This article discusses the ingredients that made Robotech the animated series work well for its time. I postulate some reasons why subsequent works and spin-offs (past and present) have failed to measure up to the brilliance of the original. I understand that it's may not be an article a lot of people would agree with, as nobody can really say what Robotech is or isn't.

What is Robotech? No, I’m not asking for the standard Wikipedia definition. I’m asking you, the handful that dares tread these grounds, to answer what made the original series great. You may have heard it all before, but here is my take on that subject.
Because a lot of people know that Robotech, despite its Japanese origins, was written “to fit an American audience” (whatever that means). I was quite shocked when I watched the entire original Japanese Macross animated series and saw how close it was to its its Robotech counterpart.

The only things that made Macross Saga Robotech was the name changes, Roy’s behavior, and a couple of badly spliced footage from another anime series, Super Dimensinal Cavalry: Southern Cross. Even Robotech's "Second Generation", the one that followed Robotech’s Macross saga, despite becoming chop-suey in the hands of the American editors, pretty much retained the same template as the original series. Third generation, New Generation, was worse.
Mind you, I'm not saying that the entirety of Robotech and its production was a straight dub. I'm just saying that at least, story wise, it seems that the Japanese deserve a helluva lot more praise than most people give them credit for. This of course, begs the question:
Why hasn’t any subsequent Robotech product come close to the magic
that the original series did back in its day?
that the original series did back in its day?
Since time immemorial (did I use that right?), people have had very different ideas about what Robotech was and wasn’t.
Things weren’t so bad in the late 1980’s though, as Carl Macek, the man who gave birth to the concept of Robotech, at least knew what he was doing when brainstorming for the follow-up series to the original Robotech series. This project was known as The Sentinels, and the first thing he did was to hire the Japanese. This collaboration was truly unprecedented, and for a time, things were good.

Things hit the fan when Mr. Macek found out that the Japanese were taking the series in a very different direction than was originally intended. The Japanese animators were making stuff that used more of the new characters, whereas Macek wanted the focus to still be on the Robotech’s established cast of characters.

Robotech was in a very difficult position in the late 80's all the way until the late 90's...
In retrospect, Robotech: The Sentinels was best viewed as something akin to a Robotech’s Greatest Hits album more than anything else. It took the greatest stuff from the original series three sagas, and crammed it in one movie. Maybe Macek should have listened to the Japanese on this one…

I guess Dana's uh... cute... in a freaky kind of way. Incidentally, the Japanese
can draw children a lot better... and uh... well yeah, they sure can draw them better.
I'm looking at you - Range Murata
The Sentinels project left a black eye in the franchise. The series continued however, in the form of black and white comic books. So the 90’s, basically saw the franchise center around this medium more than anything else. This era gave birth to the concept of slapping American storytelling into Robotech. No Japanese influence whatsoever, aside from American artists doing some rather odd quasi-anime style visuals for their work.can draw children a lot better... and uh... well yeah, they sure can draw them better.
I'm looking at you - Range Murata

Some of the Robotech comics covers were actually quite beautiful
The franchise ended up with some solid series in the end, such as Invid War and Return to Macross, but these stories don’t hold a candle to the original series. Some comickers tried to interject personal political views, others tried to make the earthbound Zentraedi alien race into Middle Eastern terrorists (it's so much more powerful to have the Zentraedi blow themselves up trying to kill General Leonard). In the end, there was always something off about all these comics, and it’s not just how they screwed up with series canon and continuity to suit their needs.

The RobotechMuseum.com was the only site that had a complete line of scanned Robotech novel covers.
Now it's dead, so all of that is lost forever.
Now it's dead, so all of that is lost forever.
The novels however, were pretty solid. Many of these books had the authors really try to explain the most archaic elements of the series with a whole lot of questionable fantasy-science. New story elements were thrown in the mix as well, with various characters sleeping with each other, and other weird stuff I don’t wish to remember. It's Robotech, but...

Yes, Robotech treasures abound in that pile of... books
Seriously though, I would’ve doubted Robotech’s success had it began as a science fiction novel series. It would probably be one of those forgotten science fiction novel series, like William Shatner’s Tekwar. Take the time to sift through all those romance novels in some used bookstore, and you might find some!
The role-playing game was even crazier. However, like the novels and the comics, it was solid for what it was. It’s got its fanbase. I can’t say much about this though, as I haven’t played an actual game. However the biggest complaint I’ve heard is how combat in the game never truly felt like the Robotech animated series.

Gameplay aside, I was appalled at the style of the artwork in some of these RPG books. Robotech’s anime designs just didn’t translate well to gritty, Battletech style realism. I understand the limited knowledge people had with the style, but come on...
So really, Robotech thus far, hasn’t had a single product that was able to touch the original series magic. The Japanese, for all their quirks, brought something to the table that none of the American (and even Korean-American) storytellers haven’t been able to achieve.
Robotech to me, at least in essence, isn’t about cramming as many real, pseudo and fantastical science in the mix. Nor is it about jamming Saturday orning plot threads with faux-anime style visuals. It wasn’t just one big sappy love story with transforming robots either!

Like the original Starwars trilogy, the "magic" was just there. What we had, ladies and gentlemen, was a show which had an essentially Japanese science fiction storyline, possessed the brilliant character dynamics that anime is generally known for, sprinkled with some of that grounded American sensibility and wit. This is what ‘made’ Robotech the animated epic it was in the minds of most people.

Highlander, from what I hear, is an excellent anime in its own right,
some have defined it as the perfect collaboration
When Robotech finally nails that dynamic right (especially in this age where companies have managed to work out to some degree, a successful Japanese-American collaboration project) I think the franchise might have a chance to return back to form. People of all ages can finally look forward to a Robotech animated project.
P.S.
Personally, Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles doesn’t really… count. On the surface, it had all the ‘right’ elements, but the brilliance just wasn’t there. (Same with every other product made since 2000)

It may look like Robotech, smell like it, sound like it, but it failed to deliver something Robotech had - a satisfying story. Something the Japanese brought in their individual series, and something Carl Macek added when tying it to one epic saga.
You may console yourself that this was the first movie, but so was Starwars: A New Hope. Nothing in this first film movie made me want to care about what happens in the next chapter. They could all die from that big busted android Janice's singing for all I care.
It's only hook is that its the only Robotech animated feature, so as expected from a mindless consumer, I might as well buy/download and watch it. So as far as I’m concerned R:TSC was an experiment, nothing more.


The problem is a fundamental one. Everything had to be mucked up because Harmony Gold assumed that every fan of Robotech wanted to find out what happened to Scott Bernard at the very end of the series.
This very story plot is what fuel fans imaginations for nearly two decades: Did Scott find Rick? Did he fail?
The bottomline? That no answer would EVER satisfy fans. The bes solution? Have the events alluded to by a new cast of characters. Let the fans speculate some more what transpired in between.
I think that would have been more powerful.
And yet Tommy Yune decided we SHOULD know. That's just one bad creative decision, in a sea of others that should have been thought of more carefully. (Comment this)
>> EVER satisfy fans.
I disagree. Jack McKinney's "The End of the Circle" did precisely the same things that The Shadow Chronicles did and, for my money, it was very satisfying. Whether or not one likes what happened or the direction it took is inconsequential, I believe, because ultimately, the book did a damned good job at doing what it set-out to do. The Shadow Chronicles tried to do...something...and failed to do it well.
>> I think they should of just introduced
>> a whole new cast of characters, kinda like
>> what I did in my story
That would be option 2, Robotech 3000, which (like MMG said) would never satisfy enough fans. Personally, I think that the real problem Robotech has now is that it's fandom is old, obstinate, mentally deficient, uncreative, and generally more interested in confirming the beliefs they already have than learning something new. Robotech 3000 would have forced people to see Robotech as a science fiction series more than an animé series, and the old fogies couldn't handle that. It also would have forced all the foolish Macross and MOSPEADA fanboys to have a Robotech series which didn't have transformable fighter planes at every juncture.
And, like Zor's circle, we come to the end and the beginning--that Robotech, as a collaboration of American and Japanese ideas, has too much history to be defined by a single notion. Robotech is about a feeling, and some people get it while others don't. It's not about Alpha Fighters, idol singers, or even that damned Rick Hunter. If one objectively looks at the path taken by the animation, it's about protoculture, it's roots, and the want to possess it's power.
If fans can't accept this answer, then they're really not looking for a confirmable, reasonable answer insomuch as they're looking for a cheap, good time they could get from any series on the market. Is it any wonder then that the decrepit "loyal" Robotech fandom will buy any crap with the name on it thrown their direction?
I think I've made my point. ;) (Comment this)
My thoughts:
Do well? Now that is a matter of opinion. I'm pretty sure the majority would be quick declare Shadow Chronicles is "superior" to End of the Circle simply because it is an animated production (regardless of whether it was bad or good).
And what can I say? We, as Robotech fans, are sentimental old fools. Heck, Toynami just released another overpriced VF-1 Veritech toy from the 80's. You bet your ass people will lap it up.
And as "interesting" as the first previews of Robotech 3000 were, The 3D route would never have worked. I was actually more interested in the unused 2D redesigns that followed, but well... nothing ever did come out of that.
What can I say? Robotech is best suited in the anime form, and rightly so. The sci-fi route wasn't bad, but was far too removed from what fans were expecting from a follow-up. Maybe if RT3K came in looking like Appleseed though, people would be more accepting...
And as for the whole protoculture/feel-good time thing, whatever you say...
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>> feel-good time thing, whatever you
>> say...
Well, instead of simply throwing-out your opinions and making them as if they're unquestionable-of-reason, how 'bout we go down the list?
1) What things did Macross Saga, The Masters, and New Generation have in common?
--Transformable machines, a musician, and protoculture.
2) Following the end of the animation run, what did all Robotech printed productions have in common?
--Transformable machines, and protoculture.
3) Is Robotech a Japanese animation series?
--No.
4) If Robotech is not a Japanese animation series, why should it's animated successors be required to be animated in the Japanese fashion?
--People who care more about aesthetics than an interesting story, and/or would rather wait years and years to get a sub-par animated production as long as it's animated by a Japanese or faux-Japanese animation company.
Saying that "the 3D route would never have worked" doesn't make a damned lick of sense because, like it or not, Robotech strayed from it's "animé" beginnings and became it's own beast. This isn't an English dubbing of Sailor Moon we're talking about, here; this is a story which was developed and decided to become free of it's Japanese roots. If some damn-foolhardy Robotech fan wants to deny this, well, then Robotech.com is a good place to be.
Fans who appreciate good product over simple nostalgia wouldn't care if a new Robotech was Japanese animated, French animated, placed in a comic book, written as a novel, or streamed on a website as a web-comic. That's plain and simple. If one likes Robotech as a story and as a saga, then it doesn't matter how it's presented as long as it's good. Unfortunately, there are still fans like you out there who can't get past the whole "Robotech is animé" idea, and ultimately, made it so that The Shadow Chronicles came-out with more talent spent on producing faux-Japanese animation than a decent story.
Note the hypocrisy of a fan who has a certain distaste for The Shadow Chronicles yet spews the same poor reasoning which made it happen. But hey, people who relegate themselves to being merely fans rather than actual creative minds shouldn't be charged with the daunting task of analysing the difference between aesthetics and production cores. (Comment this)
Anyway, people just have so many opinions of what Robotech should and shouldn't be, but everywhere you go, and I don't mean just Robotech.com, people want or feel that it should at least remain visually in the anime style.
I'm not saying it should be limited to it, but that's really how people remember Robotech. This isn't some long-running series that's been on the air for the past few decades you know.
I neglected to tackle head-on the story itself, how it was changed to be ultimately different such as the emphasis on Protoculture, etc. So yes, Robotech transcended its basic anime roots, but I believe, at least for future animated products, that the Japanese should be involved in some way. At least in terms of action, or in character development, because clearly, the current staff is clearly not competent enough to handle this task.
The creation a GOOD story is an entirely different matter (which I will point out again that I neglected to talk about in this post). However, I believe I made it a point in the past that:
From the Stars, Love & War, Invasion, Prelude, Shadow Chronicles were all terrible stories. Forgettable 'fan service' drivel. I've made this quite clear in the past. Shame on me for not saying it the zillionth time in this post. (Comment this)
Face it, MMG, your posts are pretty damned intelligent and honestly, no one's got you beat when it comes to applying this to Robotech. And how many replies do you get?--Well, you get "Lynn" dropping you sweet nothings every once in a while and me bitching at you just for the sake of making an interesting discussion. In the meanwhile, people fill forty pages of live-action movie discussion on Robotech.com.
Robotech fandom sucks, and sadly, most people like you and I have already left for this exact reason. I'm here because I consider you a friend, but geez, Robotech can take a hike for all I care because, if a good number of fans can't bother themselves to be involved in a decent discussion BUT they can dedicate hours of their life to talking nonsense and patting each other on the asses...well, that's not a fandom to which anyone should be proud of belonging. (Comment this)
Blogs with a half a paragraph post would still get 30-60 responses.
Reality:
Really stupid 10 second Youtube videos get 10,000,000 views and 500 comments.
Reality:
Announcement of "Live Action Movie" gets dozens of posts, as if what they say will matter.
My thoughts:
They say the worse thing a franchise's fandom could suffer is indifference, and Robotech is one tortured mutherfu**er.
Whereas a post like this would probably have started a flamewar elsewhere, here, people would rather talk behind your back in one of those obscure or exclusive subforums in Robotech.com.
So despite knowing some good people in this crazy, mixed up fandom, the overall situation is pretty retarded.
Why not give it up? The same way a lot of people do useless shit with their lives. Others wasting away in forums arguing in circles, millions playing MMORPGs, some for no practical reason at all. Plus, this gives me something to do during my downtime at work.
So yes, you will still see me lampoon s**t like the latest Toynami 80 dollar wonder. As long as Harmony Gold, continues to give me material to work with. (Comment this)